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zachdms
thirteenth December 2007, 07:40
So I bumped into the remark “most codec packs are good”, and thought it would be attention-grabbing to get a vetted record of the *dangerous* codec packs. That means hopefully these might be fastened up or taken offline.

My fundamental assumptions about what could be “bad” had been:
* Morgan Multimedia Stream Switcher (aka MMSwitch) – will crash just about any program utilizing DirectShow (crash is in EnumPins/EnumFilters usually) – is there any good model of this ever?
* Voxware MetaSound – double free throughout ACMEnumerate or so causes reminiscence corruption, notably will trigger Outlook and Distant Desktop on Vista to be just about unusable
* DivX 5.2 (present model (http://www.divx.com/) must be OK, IIRC, 5.2 has a NULL pointer crash throughout some string lookup (could also be a NT ony drawback?))
* previous variations of FFDShow (2004 or earlier) – numerous points
* AngelPotion – corrupts playback (http://www.jhepple.com/codecs/angelpotion.htm)
* previous variations of AC3Filter (pre 1.1?) – this breaks mono playback in WMP
* Ligos MPEG codecs (reminiscent of lmpgspl.ax) – shouldn’t be put in to Vista
* Indeo Audio Codec (iac25_32.ax) – crashes when queried about MPEG2 help, don’t use on Vista, breaks DVDMaker

I feel that is a reasonably fundamental recognized set of “bad”. Lemme know if I am confused or missed one thing *you* contemplate egregious. For the needs of this record, I am ignoring authorized considerations and recognized safety holes.

Which, given these assumptions would imply that these codec packs merely are “bad”:
* Ace Mega Codec Packs (installs MMSwitch, Voxware, DivX 5.2, previous FFDShow, Indeo Audio Codec)
* BgPop Codec Pack (installs previous damaged InterVideo, Cyberlink, Ligos)
* BoliGego Codec (installs AngelPotion, MMSwitch)
* Codec Pack All in 1 (installs MMSwitch)
* Codec Pack de ELISOFT (installs previous buggy FFDShow, previous buggy AC3Filter, previous buggy DivX, MMSwitch)
* Defiler (makes use of an previous buggy FFDShow model)
* DelDecPack (makes use of an previous buggy FFDShow model)
* DivX Complete Pack (installs MMSwitch)
* DJBCP Codec Pack (set up MMSwitch)
* Gordian Knot (installs MMSwitch)
* Ok-Lite Codec Pack – something older than 3.6.2 does nasty issues (reminiscent of putting in Voxware, MMSwitch, and many others)
* present Ok-Lite Mega Codec Pack (installs Indeo Audio Codec to Vista)
* Matroska (makes use of an previous buggy FFDShow model)
* MUSK codec pack (installs MMSwitch)
* Nimo Codec Pack (installs MMSwitch)
* Nimo Codec Pack lite (installs MMSwitch)
* RazorBB Codec Pack (installs Voxware, registers Indeo Audio on Vista)
* Satsuki (makes use of an previous buggy FFDSHow model)
* SLD Codec Pack (installs MMSwitch)
* The Codecs (installs MMSwitch)
* The Codecs Lite (makes use of an previous buggy FFDShow model)
* Storm Codec Pack (installs Voxware)
* Tsunami Codec Pack (worst pack: installs AngelPotion, MMSwitch, oldest FFDShow, previous DivX, previous AC3 filter, previous Intervideo, previous Cyberlink, and previous Ligos)
* Tzim’s Codec Pack (makes use of an previous buggy FFDShow model)

Is that proper? I simply thought it worthwhile to publicly determine recognized dangerous packs. If we by chance disgrace folks into fixing or eradicating the dangerous packs, that looks as if an enormous finish person win. Regardless, it looks as if simply offering a minor factual reference on the topic could be a superb begin.

Thanks for any perspective/perception right here.

EDIT: Ok-Lite 3.6.2 now not installs Indeo Audio Codec to Vista, which is a really good replace. *thumbs up*


Darkish Shikari
thirteenth December 2007, 07:56
Most codec packs are dangerous by their very definition. “Minimalist” codec packs usually do a superb job, as a result of they set up solely what the common person would wish, assuming that in order for you one thing else you’ll be able to go get it your self.

Its usually finest to imagine {that a} codec pack is dangerous till confirmed good, somewhat than posting a listing of dangerous codec packs (as a result of most are).

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FFDShow and Haali’s splitter have made most “classic” codec packs obselete; the previous decodes almost every thing and the latter splits almost every thing. Consequently, a lot of the work finished by good codec packs, such because the CCCP, is in grabbing the correct patches and setting default configurations–since there’s actually nothing else left to do.


clsid
thirteenth December 2007, 13:25
KLCP Commonplace can also be a superb “minimalistic” pack.

Sharktooth
thirteenth December 2007, 14:05
all codec packs are considerably evil. even CCCP (i actually hate that title) comprises previous variations of ffdshow…
the installers are normally a large number, they overwrite recordsdata they shouldnt, they set up unneeded and buggy filters/codecs and when attempting to uninstall the codec pack they depart recordsdata all over the place and take away registry keys or sections on .ini recordsdata the shouldn’t even contact.
newest ffdshow(tryouts) + haali media splitter do nearly every thing you might want.

linx05
thirteenth December 2007, 14:16
However typically I can’t arrange ffdshow on my own in order that they play every thing like Ok-Lite Codec Pack (aside from one vid). In order that’s why I persist with packs.

Shakey_Jake33
thirteenth December 2007, 16:22
My major drawback with codec packs is I at all times discover myself having to type out my pals machines as a result of they don’t seem to be taking part in their movies correctly, and each single rattling time, they’re both utilizing Ok-Lite or CCCP. Codec packs trigger me a lot complications, particularly when 90% of individuals solely want ffdshow (and perhaps CoreAVC).

I perceive why they exist, particularly one thing like CCCP the place it is an try to create some sort of frequent configuration throughout the neighborhood, however I feel when folks turn out to be educated sufficient to know what codecs are and why you want completely different ones for various recordsdata, it is time to drop them and configure your self.


zambelli
thirteenth December 2007, 16:55
I feel the concept that Zach is suggesting is to create a “blacklist” of codec packs which can be recognized to be dangerous to be able to save folks the ache of putting in them and messing up their methods.
Take into account that the majority codec packs are discovered by means of serps. Simply goggle “codec pack” and see what comes up. So if we are able to put collectively a listing of dangerous codec packs – maybe we are able to additionally get that record to indicate up within the search outcomes finally.

Konrad Klar
thirteenth December 2007, 20:57
FFDShow and Haali’s splitter have made most “classic” codec packs obselete; the previous decodes almost every thing and the latter splits almost every thing. Consequently, a lot of the work finished by good codec packs, such because the CCCP, is in grabbing the correct patches and setting default configurations–since there’s actually nothing else left to do.

You continue to want a DirectShow filters for containers like RMVB.

From my expertise, most issues with so referred to as “codecs” (this phrase is usually used for DirectShow filters) will be simply solved by altering Meritr of DS filter through instrument like GSpot.
Individuals not understanding what’s Meritr (and usually how DS is working) normally have steady issues with “codecs”, and they’re nonetheless looking/believing for good codec pack, that rescue them from such issues.


Darkish Shikari
thirteenth December 2007, 21:46
You continue to want a DirectShow filters for containers like RMVB.True, however playback options exist already for these; Actual Different+Quicktime Different Lite.

Any sensible “codec pack” would possible simply embrace these of their present type.


verify
thirteenth December 2007, 23:03
True, however playback options exist already for these; Actual Different+Quicktime Different Lite.
The one concern is that they each embrace bizarre stuff like coreavc or MPC, that are unrelated to their precise function and are in all probability what the person has already put in.

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EDIT: you’ll be able to embrace this one as a result of it is historic http://impulse7.com/zero/ . Principally each pack is evil. Why not as an alternative of attempting to blacklist, use a factors system. Each pack begins with 10 factors, subtract one level per drawback.

EDIT2: completely happy 1500 posts me


Darkish Shikari
thirteenth December 2007, 23:42
The one concern is that they each embrace bizarre stuff like coreavc or MPC, that are unrelated to their precise function and are in all probability what the person has already put in.You certain? Actual Different Lite is really helpful by the CCCP group, for instance, as a result of it does not comprise something (not even MPC).

clsid
thirteenth December 2007, 23:48
What could be the definition of “a bad item” be in that case? Even filters like ffdshow and haali media splitter that most individuals right here (together with me) would advocate, comprise bugs.

Btw, newest QTA doesn’t comprise any DS filters.


Darkish Shikari
14th December 2007, 00:12
What could be the definition of “a bad item” be in that case? Even filters like ffdshow and haali media splitter that most individuals right here (together with me) would advocate, comprise bugs.A “bad item,” I might suppose, could be one thing which both:

a) is each pointless and has destructive penalties (and thus should not be within the pack)
or
b) has vital performance however has a greater substitute (e.g. Haali’s splitter as an alternative of the previous Matroska splitter)

You possibly can additionally rely “good items”–workarounds for issues in filters which have points, however are nonetheless the most effective of their class.


Shinigami-Sama
14th December 2007, 01:52
I exploit CCCP as a result of its works effectively sufficient that individuals like my grandmother can use it

thought on my subsequent set up I am simply planing on FFDshow, halii and perhaps QT/Actual alts for a number of trailers and such I am to lazy to cope with


Shakey_Jake33
seventeenth December 2007, 07:57
Not absolutely on subject, however since individuals are discussing Quicktime Different, I discover the brand new releases shouldn’t have the directshow codecs to play Quicktime recordsdata. How are folks taking part in them nowerdays then?

Mangix
seventeenth December 2007, 08:12
through MPC. no less than i do. MPC does not depend on DS for QT or RM however it may be set to have the ability to do this. I feel the primary level for having RM Different and QT Different is so as to play these on-line clips.

additionally, i take advantage of CCCP as effectively. it is mainly what i used to be already utilizing, however in a pleasant bundle.


Shinigami-Sama
seventeenth December 2007, 08:59
Quicktime makes use of AVC for essentially the most half now
so far as I do know they’ve dropped that soreanson one they used to make use of

which is why it does not want an DShow codecs to be put in

I am to not certain on RM although


Konrad Klar
seventeenth December 2007, 09:34
Not absolutely on subject, however since individuals are discussing Quicktime Different, I discover the brand new releases shouldn’t have the directshow codecs to play Quicktime recordsdata. How are folks taking part in them nowerdays then?

There are numerous third social gathering DS splitters accepting .mov as supply. So long as this container is just not modified, there may be not actual want for updating of applicable DS filter.


clsid
seventeenth December 2007, 13:26
The Gabest and Haali MP4 splitters are in a position to deal with most .mov recordsdata. ffdshow is ready to decode most audio and video codecs which can be discovered inside .mov recordsdata.

burfadel
seventeenth December 2007, 14:24
The one concern is that they each embrace bizarre stuff like coreavc or MPC, that are unrelated to their precise function and are in all probability what the person has already put in.

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Quicktime various used to comprise coreavc, which solely put in if ffdshow or another h264/aac decoder wasn’t current. The newer Quicktime Different lite’ solely contains the quicktime stuff, nothing else! Identical goes for ‘actual various lite’. With the newest variations of these, and the newest ffdshow – the day by day builds work positive, do not use one thats months and even years previous then complain it does not work!

Use Media Participant Traditional, reminiscent of the newest homecinema model, and the inner filters with that, plus ffdshow and many others ought to cowl completely every thing there may be to play (some issues are disabled by default in ffdshow). If not, then its utilizing some actually obscure format – and the frequent obscure codecs (if that is smart) are coated with ffdshow anyway!


Shakey_Jake33
seventeenth December 2007, 15:10
Thanks, I ask as a result of I’ve numerous completely different (previous) QT recordsdata, and a few work, some work with no audio, and a few don’t work in any respect (although all labored with the ‘previous’ QT Different when it had the DS filters). I think I have to experiment with the completely different splitters then.

Konrad Klar
seventeenth December 2007, 15:53
I think I have to experiment with the completely different splitters then.
I might say somewhat that you just want an applicable filters for video and/or audio streams contained in .mov. Possibly (as prompt by burfadel) a few of them you’ve already in FFDShow, however help for these codecs should be enabled in configuration.

Shakey_Jake33
seventeenth December 2007, 17:19
The recordsdata in query work on vlc, and in keeping with that, use ‘twos’ and ‘araw’ for audio codecs. I am unsure which that might come beneath in ffdshow tbh.

petran79
nineteenth December 2007, 00:00
one different severe concern is that FFDshow messes up after I use a video editor like Ulead or Adobe.

I want gamers with inside codecs like SMplayer, Gomplayer and KMplayer.


Konrad Klar
nineteenth December 2007, 03:33
one different severe concern is that FFDshow messes up after I use a video editor like Ulead or Adobe.
Simply add Ulead’s nad Adobe’s apps to the “Don’t use FFDShow in:” record. Possibly it is going to assist.

I want gamers with inside codecs like SMplayer, Gomplayer and KMplayer.

DirectShow and so referred to as codec packs aren’t for you, buddy.


RNiK
nineteenth December 2007, 10:55
What about:
Home windows Necessities Codec Pack (http://www.mediacodec.org) (HUGE variety of splitters however no Haali in any respect + few details about changelog and codecs model);
Cole2k Media – Codec Pack (http://http://www.cole2k.net/?display=Codec-Pack-Standard) (InterVideo);
FantasyCodec (http://my.opera.com/kingjiu/blog/) (Indeo + VoxWare + keygen for BSPlayer Professional!!??);
Hotwire Codec Bundle (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Codec-Packs-Video-Codecs/Hotwire-Codec-Bundle.shtml) (outdated);
MSUN Decoder Pack (http://www.wmwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=MSUN_Decoder_Pack) (outdated);
XK Codec Pack (http://www.codec-download.com/article.php?sid=237) (outdated);
HelDecPack (http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Codec-Packs-Video-Codecs/HelDecPack-OCT.shtml) (outdated);
Kristal Codec Pack (outdated, no information);
Eki Codec Pack (outdated, no information);
Multi-Media Necessities (outdated, no information).:p

zachdms
twenty second January 2008, 23:55
Oh, thanks, that is good information, I forgot these.

Kristal 4.3.3 installs:
* “radium” fhg professional (breaks cross-fading since radium is single-instance)
* hacked ms wma VFW codec
* divx 4 / mayo mission
* ac3 audio filter v2.2
* hacked ms wmv VFW/DShow codecs
That is it. So: previous, rubbish.

Ok-Lite up to date of their new 3.6.2 model to cease putting in the Indeo Audio Codec to Vista, in order that’s very constructive.

Additionally, I am including mpegsplitter.ax to my “filters to avoid with prejudice” record given this divide by zero crash:
* http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1776005&group_id=82303&atid=565649
which appears actually sadly prevalent. I feel solely older variations of Vista Codec Bundle set up that, although? =


clsid
twenty fourth January 2008, 14:22
I feel the mpegsplitter.ax crash with zero size recordsdata has already been fastened a while in the past in these tasks:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli2/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpc-hc/


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